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20 March 2003 @ 02:03 pm
holy fuck  
... and so it begins.

(i can't believe this is really happening. what is wrong with our world?)
 
 
 
chequered on March 19th, 2003 04:29 pm (UTC)
bush. (that's my opinion at least)
The Misadventurous Life Trials of Miss Maybellinecuriousalice on March 19th, 2003 04:39 pm (UTC)
I'm trying to watch it with a sense of detachment... but it's probably more of a shocked response.

It is amazing how fast forty eight hours pass.



    scarlet's walkkisstheviolets on March 19th, 2003 05:03 pm (UTC)
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i agree. i'm watching the news with the same sort of reaction.
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    scarlet's walkkisstheviolets on March 19th, 2003 05:04 pm (UTC)
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i know. i keep hitting the refresh button too, reading my friends responses to this. it's the scariest thing.
you stay safe too.and i love you.
xoxo.
a life without love? that's terrible!monday_fever on March 19th, 2003 04:47 pm (UTC)
Stay safe. I love you.
    scarlet's walkkisstheviolets on March 19th, 2003 05:05 pm (UTC)
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i love you too sweetie. i hope you're alright
*big hugs*
Patrickpadraiceen on March 19th, 2003 04:51 pm (UTC)
Someone said Bush, I say Hussein's worse for the world on his best day than Bush could be on his worst.

I will say one thing: the Australians are helping us out, and that's commendable.
chequered on March 19th, 2003 04:55 pm (UTC)
Yeah.. I didn't mean that it's entirely Bush's fault. Hussein is worse, I suppose. Yeah. Oh, I don't know. I'm still not wanting to believe this is true. Never mind me.
    scarlet's walkkisstheviolets on March 19th, 2003 05:02 pm (UTC)
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no, i know what you both mean. its not either Bush OR Hussein's fault on their own; but the mentality of all the others who are so willing to follow these leaders to destruction. Bush couldn't have launched this war purely on his own; he is not the only one to blame, and neither is Hussein. although i dislike them both very, very much.
*bighugs*i don't want to believe this is true either. it shouldn't be happening.
Patrickpadraiceen on March 19th, 2003 05:11 pm (UTC)
Bush has a duty to protect the American people as he sees fit, and to protect American interests around the world, since the President is the de jure leader of our military. Hussein knew that he'd be under intense scrutiny after September 11th, and he failed to clean up his act. I honestly don't know anyone, in any country, who genuinely thinks that Mr. Hussein is anything but tyrannical. It's possible to make a case for war not being the answer, and we gave the UN six months and more to make some real progress. France threatened to veto, and several countries pulled their support because of that. Hussein never backed down from his position (which begs the question, "why must WE always compromise with those who refuse to?"). This was the inevitable outcome.

The period between the end of the Cold War and September 11th was a period of widespread calm and peace, and I think that the world got used to it. Peace is not human nature, sadly, and Iraq's dictator is not a peaceful man.

One final comment. Bush ran for election on the platform of noninvolvement in world affairs. This responsibility was thrust upon him, and if you really watch him when he speaks about these things, you can see that he hates it. He has had more crap piled on him during his presidency than I could ever imagine experiencing, and I think he's done admirably.

But anyway. I hope everyone stays safe. This *will* be over soon, mark my words.
    scarlet's walkkisstheviolets on March 19th, 2003 05:22 pm (UTC)
yes - i definitely do not envy his position at all. the same can go for our prime minister for committing australian troops to this war - he is doing what he thinks is right for our country.
i just can't believe that war is the correct answer.
and i hope you're right, and this really is over quickly.
Nicky: babesolliekitty on March 20th, 2003 10:43 am (UTC)
I agree with you. This has to be every president's nightmare. I am actually happy it didn't happen when Clinton was in office, I think the outcome would have been far worse. But I digress, I say that as more an insult to his person, though he wasn't a very good president either.

As much as I don't like war, it is a necessary evil. Every generation for the entire history of the world has seen a war. It is human nature, whether or not we agree with it. You're right- we have gotten used to the peace and in times like this I still fail to understand why we can't work this out, but there are some people you just can't reconcile with.......

I want to trust that this war is the right thing, and not self-serving.

I think if the attacks of 9/11 occurred in another country, that country would be taking action and asking the rest of the world for assistance. There are many things we don't know about this situation that only a few people are privy to. I think it is precipitous of people to place blame when there is no way we can know everything about this situation. I didn't like Bush either when he was put in office, however, I have gained a new respect for him due to the events of the last few years. I feel safer knowing that we are fighting back rather than allowing future potential atrocities to occur- in this nation or any other.
    scarlet's walkkisstheviolets on March 19th, 2003 05:12 pm (UTC)
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i say they're both terrible if this war is the only answer.
and it might be commendable, but a LOT of people here disagree with australian's being involved in this war. it's too late now to argue about it though.
sigh.
The most fantastic of all muppets in the landfantasticmuppet on March 19th, 2003 04:57 pm (UTC)
i was writing a letter to you when it was all starting tonight...
    scarlet's walkkisstheviolets on March 19th, 2003 05:14 pm (UTC)
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*hugs*
it feels so bizarre, doesn't it? to be doing normal things when a war breaks out, when a formal declaration is announced. i just got home from shopping, of all things. it's so surreal.
indriya on March 19th, 2003 05:26 pm (UTC)
if no-one ever did anything to prevent future threats, we wouldn't be going shopping, watching tv, and continuing on with our mundane daily lives. war happens, albeit covertly, everyday, whether we know about it or not... but it's not right. it's not fair. it's disappointing. and goddammit, bush is an idiot... well, whoever's controlling the US governments decisions are idiots, in any case...

*hugs*
    scarlet's walkkisstheviolets on March 19th, 2003 05:42 pm (UTC)
i guess the question is... does war prevent future threats, or encourage them?
you're right, it is disappointing. disappointing that the only way we can solve anything these days is to drop a bomb on another country. it says absolutely nothing good about human nature.
*: meh?wannabeflapper on March 19th, 2003 07:10 pm (UTC)
:/
I'm so scared.
I try not to think about it.
(a horrible coping method, I know. But really I can't do anything else.)